John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase.

Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Grapefruit: "If you like oranges, try their bitter, overweight cousin!"

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