When it comes to loving others, we sometimes have to stretch ourselves to honor the commands that Jesus has about love. How can I love someone who is so different from me, we might ask ourselves? How can I love someone who I don’t understand and who doesn’t understand me? In our daily lives, it’s natural for us to make bonds with people who are like us, who have our same values, who believe like us. It can be tempting to live in that bubble and *think* that we are practicing love. But Jesus calls us to do more. He asks that “all we do be done in love.” If we can remember that before each conversation we have, before each decision we make in regards to others, as we measure the words and actions that we speak and do each day, we’ll find that a life lived in love will bring healing, reconciliation and benefits to us that we could have never imagined. Our guests this week are deliberate about taking a posture of love toward what they do in the world. Tauren Wells is a musician, songwriter and speaker who encourages us to recognize God’s love in all that we do and say, and pastor and writers John Siebeling and Wayne Francis have purposefully made unconditional love a part of how they welcome people of all kinds into their churches, and now they’re building off of that to bring people together to have conversations about love, acceptance, and race. 

Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:

Jesus Calling Podcast

Jesus Calling

Jesus Listens

Past interview: Cynthia Garrett

Upcoming interview: Chris Janson and Kelly Janson

Tauren Wells

Michael Jackson 

Prince 

Donald Lawrence 

Fred Hammond

Israel Houghton

NSync

Indiana Bible College 

“Known” 

www.taurenwells.com

John Siebeling

Wayne Francis

God and Race: A Guide for Moving Beyond Black Fists and White Knuckles

Association of Related Churches—ARC

Black Fists, White Knuckles sermon

Ahmaud Arbery case

Revelation 7:9 NIV

Acts 2 NIV

Joyce Meyer

1 Thessalonians 5:17-19 NIV

Interview Quotes:

“I love performing, I love having fun. And I don't think that the presence of God is a fun-free zone.” - Tauren Wells

“If we're really trying to make our churches diverse and multicultural, it's not just having people in the room that look like the culture we want. It's creating the pieces of fabric that make up those cultures and weaving them into the faith community that we're building.” - Tauren Wells

“The key to moving forward beyond some of the racial tension that we've seen is just super open-handed, open-hearted conversations. And when you have an open heart and you have an open hand, you sit down with somebody that's different from you and you get the opportunity to see and hear their heart and their perspective. You grow and you learn.” - John Siebeling

“We're not just trying to empower white people to have these conversations. We're empowering black people, people of color, how to have these conversations in a way that's life giving. And it blend